if you bump not national debt ceiling even if as critics say the secretary of the treasury can prioritize payments and make the payments on the national debt, the government's going to be a deadbeat on someing. it's bills to ctrtors, its salary obligations, something will happen and at least we've got that off the table for a few months. >> washington does this all the time. they have these short-term fixes. how do you feel about thoughs? >> it's better than nothing. what is the alternative, a government shutdown as we may be facing at the end of march. so if they keep doing these short-term fixes, at least we're not having a calamity. the problem, of course, is the longer you delay a lot of these things, the harder it gets. >> so put politic as side, what is the solution to this budget and debt cries snis. >> well, you remember bill clinton at theconvention said arithmetic. icomes down to arithmetic. we've got this yawning gap between what the government takes in and what it spends. and realistically you've got to pov both ends this is what president obama calls balance and what the repu